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VENERABLE MASTER'S DHARMA RAIN

我沒有這樣的徒弟!
SUCH PEOPLE ARE NOT MY DISCIPLES!

上人講於萬佛聖城一九九三年八月一日
The Venerable Master's Talk on August 1, 1993

第二個就是那個李什麼?來出家的。他看這個費大媽發財很容易的,所以他也步她的後塵。到了臺灣給人家看三世因果,給人算卦批命。批一個人多少錢呢?一萬塊錢,這是便宜的。你猜怎麼樣啊?他有這個大的化緣的方法,他說要到九華山,修一尊地藏王菩薩,九十米高。九十米高,你們大家算算看,這有多高?一米三尺,九十米就兩百七十尺那麼高!不要說叫我造,我想都不敢想像,這麼高的菩薩怎麼造法?這得要動用多少人工,需要多少錢?所以我想像都不敢想像。他叫大家拿錢支持,你也給拿錢,他也拿錢,為什麼呢?說這是萬佛城出來的,都是有修行的,也是一天吃一餐、也是搭著衣,可是就是行為和萬佛城都不一樣。

這說修地藏王菩薩像在九華山,能不能修呢?我相信盡未來際他也不修的,他只不過騙騙人,叫人給他拿點錢去修他五臟大殿去。他騙了多少錢,我不知道。他有沒有帳目我也不知道,他也不給我看。那麼我也不希望知道這個事,不過有人告訴我,我是姑妄言之、姑妄聽之。

他要到大陸造廟去,說最低限度要十億臺幣,甚至一百億臺幣,他造一個大廟。臺灣這些糊塗蛋,你也給錢,他也給錢。哦!完了,這個廟不知在什麼地方?不知在那個虛空,那個角落?這真是……你看看!我早就說過,我說萬佛城的出家人,出了萬佛城山門以外,哪一個我也不負責任。因為人心叵測,他在這兒好好地,裝模作樣的,也吃一餐,持銀錢戒。到外邊他就看著花花綠綠這個紙,是好看,所以盡量想要騙一點。那麼被他騙了,我不負責任的,我不擔保這個。你看,我為什麼問鄭某,鄭某也幾幾乎是一個被騙者。

還有在洛杉磯,他一看沒有什麼人了,就和居士拉攏關係。拉攏來,拉攏去,他也告訴聖荷西這一班居士造廟,但是他叫人拿多少錢,大約沒有確實數目。就說他有這麼一個想法。聖荷西這一班居士,就都想要發心幫他造廟去!你看看,危險不危險?唉!這真是令我不知怎麼處理這個事情好。

聽說八月間,他又要回來,回來我好難對付這個人,我這個做師父的都一籌莫展。他當著我面是很聽話的,乖乖的;背著我後,他這個神通妙用就用出來了,就倒我的架子。他的來歷,我到現在也不知道他是從什麼地方來的,到什麼地方去,以前都做過什麼,我完全都不知道,他也沒有說過,我也沒有問他。可是他對我說過這話,說以前布希的女兒也追他,要嫁他;貝克的女兒也追他,要嫁他。總而言之,美國這一些個達官貴人的女兒都喜歡他了,都追他。他也要拿諾貝爾獎金,現在出家了,不拿了,放棄了。你看!講這話都是南山去打過虎,北山去抓過狼,這本事大了。武松打虎,武松也沒有他那麼大本領。

我為什麼還收他呢?我這個人啊,是吃一百塊豆腐也不嫌腥的,他就再壞的人,他要改過,我都給他一個改過的因;他若真能改過,這也不錯。大惡者回頭大善;大善是要墮落的話,大惡一般。以後你們各位居士,凡是有出家人,單單喜歡和你們講話,這你們要注意的。他一定不懷好意;他若懷好意,他不會這麼偷偷摸摸,苟苟且且,一見到來人他就不講話了。沒有人了,喔!他這個本領就來了,這你看都看的出的嘛!在洛杉磯那兒,一有人呢,他不講話了;一沒有人,有一些個居士在,他就猛講猛講,騙居士。

那一些比丘尼,看他就看得不慣眼了,就有四、五個人合集起來,到他那兒說:「我們萬佛城凍死不攀緣,你這屬於攀緣,和居士去囉囉嗦嗦的,總這麼講、講、講、講、講!講不完那麼講。」你猜他說什麼?「我這不是攀緣,我有真本事啊,你們懂的什麼?」把這些個比丘尼、比丘都弄的啞口無言,不知道如何應對。完了,我就把他叫到我跟前,我問他,我說你有什麼真本事?你說出來我聽聽!他說:「人家有病,我一給弄就好!」我說:「這算什麼真本事,黃皮子,狐狸精都會這個法術,你這個又算個什麼?什麼真本事?你沒有真本事,你顯本事,顯出本事你沒有本事!真的有本事會告訴人,說我有真本事啊?你有真本事告訴人幹什麼?你這不是自我宣傳是幹什麼的?那有一個修道的出家人自我宣傳的?」

後來,他真本事也拿不出來了。這些個居士真是都很善良的,一聽說是我的徒弟,也都是有真本事,在臺灣就大吹特吹,說我派他去的,我親手給他的命令去建廟,到大陸去,他幹什麼我都知道。就這麼唬這班無知的人,這班無知的人給他拿錢拿錢,究竟拿了多少錢我也不知道。OK!講也講不完。這我要對你們講一講,萬佛城出去的出家人,騙人的不少啊,不要相信這個,凡是真正萬佛城的人,他絕對不會和你化緣、攀緣、求緣的。

在萬佛城有一次他和一個比丘尼,在辦公室大吵,大發脾氣,想要打這個比丘尼,這比丘尼說:「你平時發願,說你要代表眾生受苦,最低限度你現在不會代表我受苦,這是一點。還有你說你是要度一切眾生,你只要不令眾生退失菩提心啊,已經就很好了,我就是眾生一分子,我見到你,我絕對不想再修行了,我也退失我的菩提心,你說怎麼辦?」他就拍桌子大發脾氣,想要打這個比丘尼,她就說:「好了,我有事情我要走了,要出去了,我等一等再來。我和辦公室有事情,我不是和你有事情。」他還賴皮,賴臉在那等著,等這比丘尼回來他就寫個字條告訴她,說你無論如何今天我對你發脾氣,你不要告訴師父;不單不告訴師父,任何人你也不可以講。你看看,這個手段多厲害!

我再講一個故事給你們聽,今天趕到這兒,雖然過時間我也要講了。虛雲老和尚,徒弟很多,他那時候大約都有一百歲了吧!他的徒弟五、六十歲的多的很呢。出家幾十年的都有,其中就有一個叫寬見的,國語叫寬見,廣東話叫寬幹,他是潮洲人,在南華寺就把老和尚的印章給偷出來,你們大家懂嗎?寫了一封信,就蓋上印章,這個信幹什麼的呢?這信是老和尚的口氣,老和尚派他去六榕寺接著做方丈和尚。老和尚根本不知道,那時候老和尚預備派另外的人去接,他先到那接過來了,老和尚根本不知道,人家那個地方的,那個人,就憑著老和尚一封信,有圖章,就認為是真的了,結果完全是假的。被老和尚派去的這個人,到那一接,他不交,說老和尚交給他了。就把這個人也弄的好不高興老和尚,怎麼你叫我來,又交給你這個徒弟來了呢!啊,就這麼樣子。老和尚一知道這個事了,幾幾乎沒有氣死,所以我告訴你們,我為什麼收這樣的徒弟?

我再告訴你們一個實實在在的話,我不單說人我收,妖魔鬼怪,害死很多人的那個如意魔女,她害死九十九個人,再要害一個人,她就成了魔王的一個頭子了,領袖了。那麼我把她降伏了,她皈依三寶,我也收她。收她之後,她也不老實,常常放一股臭氣來薰我,又腥又臭,我叫她在一個我修如意珠手的一個葫蘆,放那個葫蘆裡頭給她住。給她住,她在那兒作怪,就放臭氣,放腥氣,比那個魚啊,什麼那股味道都臭的不得了,好像我到誰家,就弄的誰家都那麼臭!以後我看這不行了,她不能跟著我走了,我把她打發到那個拉巴拉子山【『十法界不離一念心』書中,如意魔女文內是吉林省蛟河縣磊法山「萬聖玲瓏洞」】,那裡頭有很多洞,就讓她到那兒住洞去。

可是她住洞以後,修得還不錯,現在到處去幫助人,度化人了。那麼這樣的妖魔鬼怪我都收的!那狐狸,我在東北,一起收八百多;那鬼神都有皈依我,龍都有皈依我的,何況人呢?人再壞,他也沒有妖怪壞的那麼厲害,所以你們大家應該了解我。以虛老那麼大的德行,他的徒弟還這樣作怪,OK!我是一個什麼人啊?我是一個很渺小的:所以我的徒弟欺師滅祖的太多了。今天就講這麼多。

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The second is the one named Lee who came here to leave home. When he saw how easy it was for Fei Da Ma to get rich, he decided to follow in her footsteps. He went to Taiwan and began looking into people's cause and effect in the three periods of time; he told fortunes. How much did he charge per fortune?  The prices started from ten thousand dollars. And guess what else?  He had an even bigger method for getting money.  He told people he was going to construct an image of Earth Store King Bodhisattva ninety meters high at Nine Flower Mountain ( in China). Ninety meters! You can figure out for yourselves how tall that would be!  One meter equals three feet. Ninety meters is two hundred seventy feet tall! Not to speak of building it, I don't even dare think about it. How could one ever construct such a tall image of a Bodhisattva? How much manual labor would that take? How much money? That's why I wouldn't even dare consider such a thing. But he convinced people to shell out money for it; this one gave and that one gave. Why did they give?  They said that people who come out from the City of Ten Thousand Buddhas have cultivation under their belt;  they eat one meal a day and wear their precept sashes. But in fact his behavior was not like that of those belonging to the City of Ten Thousand Buddhas. He said that he was going to construct an image of Earth Store King Bodhisattva at Nine Flower Mountain, but could it really be constructed? I believe that to the ends of future time he will never be able to erect it. All he was doing was cheating people, collecting money from people so he could feed his own guts.

I don’t know how much money he cheated people out of. I don’t know if he kept accounts; he never showed any to me. Nor do I have any interest in knowing the details. However, somebody told me, hearsay has it, that he went to China to build a huge temple that was going to cost between a hundred million and a billion NT. A lot of muddled people in Taiwan contributed to that too; this one gave and that one gave. Wow! But then, it was all over. I don't know where that big temple is located. Don't know what part of space or corner of the earth it's to be found. I mean really! Don’t you see?

I said early on that when left-home people leave the City of Ten Thousand Buddhas, I cannot be responsible for them. That's because it's difficult to fathom people's minds. He behaved so well when he was here. He had the whole act down: one meal a day, no holding money. But once he got outside and saw how pretty bright-colored paper money was, he thought up all kinds of way to cheat it out of people. Well, I cannot be responsible for those who have been cheated by him. I make no guarantees about such things. Why did I ask Mr. Zeng? It's because he was almost cheated by him.

When he was in Los Angeles, when no one was watching he got involved with some of the laity. He became acquainted with this one and that one. He also told people in San Jose that he was going to build a temple, but probably he didn’t tell people how much was needed. He just said that he had that idea and the laity in San Jose resolved to help him build a temple. Take a look, dangerous or not? Hah! I really didn’t know how to handle the entire situation.

I heard that in August he wants to come back. But it's not easy for me to deal with this person. Being his teacher I am really at the end of my wits. He's very obedient and well-behaved when he's around me, but the spiritual penetrations and wonderful tricks he uses behind my back certainly ruin my reputation. To this day I don’t really know where he came from, where he's going, or what he's done in the past; I don’t know anything at all about him. He never told me and I never asked. But he did tell me that former President Bush's daughter wanted to marry him and Baker's daughter chased him, also wanting to marry him. In general, the daughters of US top officials all liked him and pursued him. He also was about to get the Nobel Prize, but now that he's left home, he's given that up. Look at that! Such exaggerations, like saying you patted a tiger on Southern Mountain and scratched a wolf on Northern Peak. Wu-sung caught a tiger, but Wu-sung's talents are nothing compared to his!

And so why did I accept him [as a disciple]?  Let me tell you that I don't get put off by stinking situations. No matter how bad a person is, if he wants to change, I will give him an opportunity to change. If he can change then it was worth it. When those who are extremely evil reform, they become those who do great good; if those who have done great good fall, they become extremely evil. After this, all of you laypeople should be watchful of left-home people who like to fraternize with you. They must be up to no good. If they were well-intended, they would not stealthy and secretive, so that whenever someone came along they stopped talking, but when no else was around they showed their stuff. Didn't you see through that? In Los Angeles, whenever anyone else was around he remained silent. But when he got alone with the laity he came on with a hard sell, cheating the laity.

The Bhikshunis there didn't like what they saw and so four or five of them got together and came to talk to him. “The City of Ten Thousand Buddhas advocates that when freezing to death we will not climb on conditions. But what you are doing is climbing on conditions. You rap with the laity going on and on and on never-ending.” What do you suppose he said? “I'm not climbing on conditions; I have real abilities! Do you understand?” That left the Bhikshunis and the Bhikshus speechless. They had no idea how to retort. Finally, I called him to come before me and I asked him what his real abilities were. I told him to speak them out for me to hear. He said, “Hmm...I...I can cure people's sicknesses.” I said, “How does that count as an ability? Weasels and fox sprites can play those tricks. What's so great about that? How can that be real ability? You don't have true abilities; you just make a show andthat shows you don't have abilities  Would anyone with real ability go around telling people that he had real ability? If you did have true abilities why would you be telling others about them? If that isn't just advertising for yourself, what is it? When did left-home cultivators ever advertise for themselves?  After that he couldn't use his real abilities any more. The laity were so naive, as soon as they learned he was my disciple, they figured all my disciples have real abilities. When he went to Taiwan he really blew his horn saying that I had sent him; that I had personally instructed him to go to China and build a temple; that I know everything he's up to. But those who were ignorant and untaught gave him money, money, money. I honestly don't know how much he raked in. Ok! There's no end to this tale! I just want to let you know that left-home people from the City of Ten Thousand Buddhas have cheated a lot of people. Don't believe that kind of stuff. The City of Ten Thousand Buddhas’ genuine people would absolutely never beg from you or climb on conditions or seek things.

One time he threw a temper tantrum in the Administration Offices at the City of Ten Thousand Buddhas. He got angry at a Bhikshuni. He wanted to hit the Bhikshuni, who said to him, ou are always making vows that you want to undergo suffering on behalf of living beings. But at the very least I can see that you are not able to undergo suffering on my behalf. That's one thing. Another thing is that you say you want to save all living beings, but if you can manage to refrain from causing living beings to not retreat from their resolve for Bodhi, you will be doing good. I am a living being, but when I see you, it certainly does not inspire me to cultivate; on the contrary I retreat from my Bodhi resolve. What do you intend to do about that? “ He banged on the table in a great fit of anger and really wanted to strike the Bhikshuni. The nun said, hat'enough. I have something to do and so I leaving. I leaving but I'll be back because I have business with the administration office; I don have any business with you.” He waited there scrowling. He waited for the Bhikshuni to return and wrote her a note telling her that no matter what, she shouldn tell the Master that he got angry at her. Not only was she not to tell the Master, she wasn to tell anyone at all. Look at that! Really fierce tactics, wouldn you say?

I’ll tell you another story. Today I rushed here and although I late, I am still giving the lecture. When the Elder Master Hsu Yun was around a hundred years old , he had many many disciples. Many of them were in their fifties and sixties who had been left-home people for several decades. Among them was one  from Chaozhou. At Southern Flower Monastery, he stole the Elder Master official seal. Do you understand what that means? He wrote a letter and stamped it with the seal. What was the content of the letter? It was written in the Elder Master style and said that he was sending this monk  to Six Banyans Monastery to become the Abbot. The Elder Master knew nothing about the letter. The Elder Master was preparing to send another monk to fill the position, but this person got there first, without the Elder Master knowledge. When the people there saw the Elder Master letter complete with his seal, they assumed it was legitimate. Actually it was a complete forgery. When the monk whom the Elder Master had actually sent arrived there, this person would not acknowledge him, saying that he himself had been given the position by the Elder Master. The monk became very upset with the Elder Master because of that. How could you send me here when you had already given the position to another of your disciples! Humph! That how it went. When the Elder Master found out, he was outraged. And I've told you why I accept disciples like him.

I will tell you something else very true, not only will I accept such human beings as disciples, I accept ghosts and all kinds of weird entities. How about the As You Will Demon woman who had harmed and killed so many people. She had killed ninety-nine human beings. If she killed one more, she would have become a leader of the demon kings. Well, I subdued her. She took refuge and I accepted her. She was outrageous and smelled very bad--worse than rotten fish. That's odor was terrible. No matter where I went, that stench would stink up the entire building. Eventually I saw that it wouldn't work to have her follow me around, and so I stationed her at La-ba-zi Mountain [referred to in The Ten Dharma Realms are Not Beyond a Single Thought in the episode about the As You Will Demon woman as the Crystal Cave of the Ten Thousand Sages on Lui Fa Mountain in Jiaohe County, Jilin Province.] There are many caves there and so I sent her to live in one of the caves. But after she moved to the cave, she cultivated quite well and now she goes about helping people and saving them. Well, I accept weird creatures like that! While I was in Manchuria I accepted eight hundred foxes; ghosts and spirits have also taken refuge with me, as well as dragons, and so how much the more human beings. No matter how bad people may be, they can't compare with how terrible weird entities are. Therefore, you people should understand me. Even Elder Master Hsu Yun, who had tremendous virtue, had disciples who did such unthinkable things. Ok!  And what kind of person am I? I am quite insignificant and so I have far too many disciples who cheat their teacher and destroy the Patriarchs. Today I will only say this much.

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